White House Preview: How Can We Tackle Hunger, Nutrition, and Health?

Dan Glickman - Dariush Mozaffarian

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Marianne O’Hare : Welcome to Conversations on Health Care. This week , we
welcome Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian of Tufts University and
former USDA Secretary Dan Glickman , co - chairs of the White
House Conference on Hunger, Nutrition and Health, which is
la un ching a major initiative to address poor nutrition and its
role of disease in the U . S .

Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian : Every segment of society , e very family practically knows
somebody who's sufferi ng from a diet - related disease.

Marianne O’Hare: We hear from F ac t C heck.org ’s Managing Editor Lori
Robertson, and we end with a bright idea improving everyday
lives. Now , here are your hosts , Mark Ma s selli and Margaret
Flinter.

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Mark Masselli: On September 28 , the Biden - Harris Administration will host
the Whi te House Conference on Hunger, Nutrition and Health .
And our guest s are well familiar with the scope of the problem
and how the levers of public policy can be lever aged to make a
real difference.

Margaret Flinter: Dan Glickman is the former Secretary of Ag ricu lture and a
former House m ember . He's the co - chair of an initiative
focused on informing this White House c onference . Dr.
Dariush Mozaffarian is with Tufts University, and he's a
renowned expert on food systems , and is also serving as co -
ch air of this v ery special effort.

Mark Masselli: We ll, we lcome to both of you to Conversations on Health
Care .

Dan Glickman: Thank you .

Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian: Pleasure to be here.

Mark Masselli: Secretary Glickman, let’s start out with you. It's important that
we kno w your effort is officially independent from the White
House , b ut give us a preview, if you will. We know the
administration will release a national strategy with actions the
Federal government will take to drive solutions . And they're
looking to end U.S. hunger and reducing diet - related diseases
in a majority of Americans by 2030. How will all this play out ,
and what more can we expect to see?

Dan Glickman: Well, first of all, thanks for having me. And you have a real
expert on this who is Dariush Mozaffar ian , who was the Dean
at Tufts, and still is very much involved at Tufts and elsewhere.

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And it's important to know the historical context of this,
because in 1969 Tufts led the effort to create a national
discussion about food, nutrition, and health at the first White
House conference convened by then President Nixon. And as a
result of that conference, we basically created almost all the
feeding programs that exist today. And that would be food
stamps, which became SNAP and the WIC program Women ,
Infants, and Children , it would be a lot of our anti - hunger
programs, school meals , and so it was seminal and
transformational. Many recommendations, including those
programs , were enacted as a result of that conference. And we
thought after 50 years, it would be a ppropri ate to have a new
conference to look and see where our Federal feeding
programs are, how we're dealing with nutrition and health in
American society, and the role of science in all of this.

So , Tufts has led this effort. And we had a kind of eclect ic
group of people working together to see if we could come up
with a series of recommendations and policy proposals, which
would go to the White House, and hopefully form the basis for
their recommendations that they're going to make when the
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conference i s held o n September 28 . So this really is
something that's seminal and transformational , a nd we hope
that the White H ouse takes it and runs with it.

Margaret Flinter: Well, we are very excited about it. But Dr. Mozaffarian , I want
to maybe turn to you fo r a mo ment . We know food inflation is
high , and Feeding America says one in eight people face
hunger. But we've just seen this new analysis that found that
child poverty dropped by 59% from 1993 to 2019, and an
increased safety net that's developed over th ose yea rs is
getting a lot of the praise for that. So , from your perspective,
how severe is the problem , and ar e things improving? Are they
moving in the right direction?

Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian: Well, I think what's happened is we've learned the problems
are mor e complicated. And you know, in 1969 , the problems
that were really families , kids not getting enough calories.
There were videos. There were national documentaries done,
hearings that were done going around the country, where you
would see families , you would see children with emaciated
arms, and distended bellies like you might see now in some of
the poorest parts of the world. So really, the focus in 1969 was
about getting calories to people . And it was successful. And we
have to remember that the re have been some successes of
1969 and our modern food system , in greatly reducing fr ank
kin d of starvation, not only in the United States, but around
the world, greatly reducing vitamin deficiencies.

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Diseases like Pellagra and Rickets and night blindnes s from
Vitamin A deficiency , and these other conditions were really
common in the United States. So we have addressed those.
But what we have now is kind of a mess of a situation where
more Americans are sick than are healthy from diet - related
diseases lik e obesity, diabet es, and hypertension , a nd at the
same time, we have people who are food insecure. So , maybe
on average, over the course of a whole year, they're getting
enough calories, but on any given day and any given week , in
any given meal , they may be uncertain where their food
comes from , a nd they're not able to get the quality of the food
that they want. And so this has also led the USDA and
Secretary Vilsack to focus on nutrition security, not just hunger
but nutrition security.

And so I think wh at we've learned , and why we need the
second conference , is that some things are better, you know,
sort of f rank lack of calories and lack of vitamins is mostly
gone. But , families are struggling , people are struggling , and
not just low income Americans . E very segment of societ y,
every family practically knows somebody who's suffering from
a diet - related disease.

Mark Masselli: You know, Mr. Secretary, let's dig into your group's
recommendation. And one of the more interesting that caught
our eye is acceler ate access to Food is Medicine Services . You
know, I think back to our own movement in 1965, a young
physician, Dr. Jack Geiger, who had formed the Community
Health Center movement in the Mississippi Delta , is
prescribing food just to those types of patien ts that Dr.
Mozaffaria n was just talking about , sending the bill to their
pharmacy. Why is this not happening right now ? And tell me
how community health centers might play a role .

Dan Glickman: You know, the old French philosopher who said y ou are what
yo u eat, the whole issue of food being an integral part of your
medical care , of your mortality , of your likelihood of getting a
disease , is something that we know more about today. And it's
much higher profile than it was before , not only in terms of
extend ing human life, but also t he enormous cost to our
health care system of diet - related diseases , whether it ’ s
diabetes or other chronic type diseases. And so I think the
conference, largely through Dariush’s involvement and Tufts ’
help and others in the medi cal profession, are trying to
actually tie the knot between healt h and medicine and
nutrition. And to some extent, the medical community over
the last 50 years has not given a lot of attention to that.

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I know when I have my annual physical exam , I have to ask the
doctor about nutritio n and eating. He's not giving me a
comprehensive set of guidelines and what to follow. And so
that lack of information is not helpful to the customer , no r is it
necessarily reflective of an understanding of these issues b y
the medical profession itself. It means you got to involve new
actors. So , who are those new actors? One is community
health syste m s, b ecause they are where the rubber hits the
road with so many people, particularly lower income . You got
to figure out how we educate our medical pro fessionals, not
just doctors, but nurses, nutritionists, dieticians, and
everybody else into this part of medicine, so they could live
better lives. And so those all fit into what we're trying to do as
part of this conference.

Margar et Flinter: Mr. Secreta ry, another recommendation seems to shine
maybe a bit of a spotlight on what we'll call the junk food
makers and producers. And you've indicated that you want to
reduce the marketing of foods that do not align with the
official Dieta ry Guidelines for Ameri cans and may be increase
the marketing of food that does align with these guidelines.
And of course, we would assume , we can anticipate some
pushback. So , what are you thinking in terms of the pushback
that you're going to get , a nd wh at's your response going to
be?

Dan Glickman: Well, one of the things we're looking at is the SNAP program
and what people are eating on the SNAP program, and
whether there's an excessive consumption of sugar - sweetened
beverages and other foods that maybe don't meet the dietary
g uidelines of USDA or similar guideline . This is a controversial
item, because it pits the food companies , and many of them
make a lot of money on packaged foods that are highly
sugared up and salted up and other kinds of things , in the
hunger community who don't want to see the poor treated
different than the rich so to speak in terms of what they can
buy.

But one thing I think that is important is particularly with kids,
television and social media, and the media has a lot to do wi th
what people eat. We k now that we don't advertise
strawberries or blueberries on television . We advertise a lot of
highly calorie d - up foods because they're tasty and because
they can be eaten quickly and conveniently. So , within the
guidelines of the Fir st Amendment, we can't rea lly engage in
censorship per se. But , you know, the Federal Trade
Commission and other government agencies can be involved
in what's shown to children. And Dariush would know a lot

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more about this because they've done a lot more r esearch at
Tufts than almos t anyplace else in th e world.

Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian: Margaret, can I jump in there with a comment as well ?

Margaret Flinter: Please.

Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian: So , I think first , one of the important things about our
taskforce re port is that it's really the main multi - sector
consensus report. We not only had experts, but we had
experts from lots of different disciplines. We had a strategy
group of national organizations , w e did three national
convenings, and we also held 16 listen ing sessions with
people, particularly from low income backgrounds , who had
lived experience in hunger and poor nutrition health. And in
our task force , w e include represe ntatives from the food
industry, FMI, which is actually the largest organization of
re tailers and food manufacturers in the country , w e include
people from insurance, and we include people from health
care, Pam Schwartz, who leads kind of the f oo d efforts at
Kaiser Permanente.

So, t his is a multi - sector report , and that recommendation you
mentioned, had the consensus of the whole committee . The
whole task force agree d that that was important. So there's
more consensus than you might think , that even for food
companies, if they can be rewarded for advertising healthier
foods, you know, that w ould be a good thing. And maybe
they'd accept a little bit of a carrot and a stick appr oach .
Maybe that can be done for marketing to young kids, because
there's evidence that kids up to age five don't really
understand an ad is an ad , so that can be consid ered
deceptive. So maybe legally, th ere could be some restrictions.

This is a time whe re the food industry recognizes that business
as usual, is not going to work. The consumer, especially the
young American consumer, is demanding healthier, more
authenti c food that's sustainably grown , that’s just , social
labor, and they're not buying the o ld products . These legacy
products are dying. And so I think it's a moment for the
government to help to work with industry to move it forward.
Americans know what actu ally is kind of the aspiration al food
that we all want to eat, and marketers know how to use it, but
they're not using it to sell food. They're using it to sell other
things, which is really ironic .

Mark Masselli: Dr. Mozaffarian , I want to maybe take a so rt of bigger l ook at
the issue in front of us. One of the recommendations calls for
incr easing access to participation in the Federal nutrition

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programs, expanding eligibility, simplifying enrollment . But
there's a school of thought out there that this is just tinkering
around the edges. As long as we have systemic inequity in the
current ec onomic policy, we will never really be able to tackle
hunger. What do you say about that argument?

Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian: So , I think first, you know, the Federal nutr ition programs are
the strongest and most important programs to address hunger
and food insecurity in the country. And s o SNAP covers , on
average 10% or 11% of American families are on SNAP. WIC,
the program for mothers and young babies, one in two babies
born in United States are on WIC. There's also programs like
Meals for the Elderly , and of course, school meals . 60% - 65% of
kids regularly consume school meals. So these are really, really
important programs. I think the challenge is showing that the
dolla rs that we're putting into those programs are bringing a
return on investment , so that in an era of declining budgets ,
that we can make the argument. If we just use the moral
argument to expand these programs , s ome folks , kind of folks
on the more progress ive side of the political spectrum , will be
all for it. But others , moderates and more fisc ally conservative
folks , will say, yeah, we can't afford this.

So , I think to bring everybody on board , f irst, we have to show
that this brings a return on investme nt by showing that when
kids get healthier school meals , or when mothers get WIC , or
when peopl e are on SNAP and actually are encouraged and
incentivized to eat healthier , that it lowers health care
spending , that it improves the competitiveness of the
Ame rican economy. We are spending more on health care
than on these programs by far. Right? Health care ha s risen
from about 5% of the Federal budget in 1970 when we had the
last conference, to now almost 30% of the Federal budget . It's
gone up six fold in jus t these 50 years , and it ’ s squeezing out
every other priority. So we can spend less on health care,
which i s 80% goes to chronic diseases, many of which are diet -
related , a nd then we ca n spend more on these programs.

And you mentioned Jack Geiger . Jack Ge iger is from Tufts
Medical School , so another Tufts ’ alum . Right? He understood
that food is medicine. And so I think if the whole White House
conference is about the Federal nutrition programs, I think it'll
be a little bit of a disappointment to me, beca use those are
important, but we coul d have just done the Farm Bill.

Mark Masselli: Well, you have been an advocate of the hand in glove
relationship between economic policy and science, right,
putting that data together?

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Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian: G o ahead D an.

Dan Glickman: Well, I was just going to say, I do think that poverty and
income inequality is certainly a major factor. There i s no doubt
that lower income people have mu ch greater challenges for
food, energy, housing . All those things are really criti cal. But I
wouldn't put it all on that side of the picture, because we've
had too many evidences of lived experiences of poor people
that want to eat better and know the diff erence between a
heavily fat saturated hamburger let's say, and fruits a nd
vegetab les and other things.

I mean, I think there are some people that make it seem like
poor people are ignorant , a nd that's just not true at all. There
are certainly economic di sincentives for them to be able to
purchase in many cases fres h produce in the sam e capacity a s
per to the higher income people . But it is partially poverty and
income inequality, partially advertising and marketing. It's
partially that the medical profession f rankly has never really
stepped up to the plate , but beginning to do so now. It's
p artially national leadership, lack of coordination from a
Federal perspective , but the positive news is that private
sector is now much more engaged than they ever were
because t heir productivity , their employee i s basically
dependent on not getting sick. This is why this is good that this
has been elevated to an important national issue .

Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian: I would add , Mark . So we have a whole section on
recommendations on the Federal n utrition programs . They're
incredibly important. I don't wa nt to diminish their
im portance. And at the same time, we need big new ideas.
And so I think the four big new ideas in our report that I really,
really hope will be in the national strategy , the fo ur big new
ideas are food is medicine, let's integrate food and nutrition
into hea lth care. So you can go to your doctor and your doctor
can write a prescription for a drug , or write a prescription for
h ealthy food. Number two , science . We have to push forwar d
the science , and really accelerate our understanding o f the gut
microbiome and pe rsonalized nutrition and supplements and
intermittent fasting and keto versus paleo versus
M editerranean. All the questions that Americans have that are
very real, we have to accelerate the science and we'll get a
huge return on investment, for example, wi th the new
N ational Institute of Nutrition .

Number three , business innovation . Just like our economy has
been spurred in the green energy sector by this administration
and prev ious administrations, we need a national strategy an d

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plan to spur the food sector . One in nine jobs in the United
States are in the food sector, and in many minority and rural
communities food sector businesses are the number one small
business , the numbe r one source of new jobs . We need a
national plan to spur this sector, not just fo r economic growth,
but for better nutrition , for health equity and for
sustainability. And last , D an mentioned this, we actually need
somebody in charge. And so there is no person who's really
coordinating this at the Federal level. Secretary Vilsack righ t
now ha s really just been an incredible leader and is probably
the leader in the administration on these issues , b ut his turf is
the USDA . Right ? And so you need someone that can
coordinate between USDA and the Department of D efense
and the Department of Education and the Department of
Health and Human Services and all the other organizations like
CDC, FDA, EPA . And so we have very concrete proposals to
actually in crease t he coordination s o there's somebody in the
White House w ho kind of is steering th e ship .

Dan Glickman: And just to add to Dariush , we're like a team . The role of
agriculture is extremely important. After all, everything we eat
is produced from the ground f or the most part, either raised
by an animal or a plant. And so we can't forget th e role of the
producers of food in everything that we're talking about. And
our farm programs have largely been devoted to focusing on
the row crops , wheat, corn, cotton, ri ce, and soybeans , a nd
many of those are fed to animals. I n recent years, we have
m ore and more incentives for farmers to grow specialty crops .
That's brand new over the last 10 or 15 years. And so you're
seeing more of that grown, and therefore you're seei ng a
stronger political pressure in the field of agricult ure to care
about these a dditional crops . We're not going to change the
world overnight , a nd besides the science isn't complete in
terms of what we ought to be eating. There's a lot of
anecdotal stuf f out there. But in fact, as Dariush says, we need
much m ore science and research in determining what we
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Mark Masselli: You know, I want to pull the thread on what you said earlier to
Dr. Mozaffarian about 50 years ago President Nixon convened
the first ever until now t he only White House Conference on
food , nutrition and health . Why has it taken so long? It was
obviously historic event. You know, so many important
programs came out of this initiative . Why hasn't there been
momentum? And why should we think there's en ough energy
behind what might com e out of this conference to really see it
through fruition?

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Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian: You know, I've been doing this work for 25 years , and every
day waking up sometimes banging my head against the wall
going why are we not paying more attention to the top cause
of poor health in the United States, the t op cause of
preventable health care spending in the United States, the top
issue depleting our natural resources in the United States, one
of the top issues facing the milita ry and national security in the
Un ited States ? Why is no one paying attention to t his? And I
think it's because you know, humans are evolved to worry
about the saber tooth tiger that's about to pounce on you, but
not the smoking volcano that's going to eru pt tomorrow and
kill us all tomorr ow.

And so, food has always been sort of the sec ond issue . Right ?
When was the last Presidential debate where there were 30
questions on food , right? So somehow it hasn't entered the
national consciousness. And I think you know, what's changed
is just it' s just the right confluence of time, the perfect kind of
positive storm . COVID - 19 led to incredible recognition around
how frail and fragile our food supply chains are, and also of the
incredible links between diet - related diseases like diabetes
and obesit y and hyp ertension and deaths from COVID. People
are d ying because of these diseases.

Number two, the Russian war against Ukraine has led to a
more recognition of how we have to really think about our
food and where it's g rown. The science has expanded , t he
science on obesity, diabetes, hypertension . People kind of see
that . And industry , and the consumer , is starting to turn away
from kind of unhealthy foods. It's happening , and consumers
are shifting. And so there's all this dis ruption going on whether
i t's hydroponic farms, or plant - based meat alternatives, or
wellness centers , or other things, and the science and food as
medicine has advanced. And so I think it just happens to be a
perfect storm where we can see some real acti on.

Dan Glickman: And can I just add two things ? Number one, we have made
amazing progress in the last 50 years . Food is ubiquitous and
available . The National School Lunch Program feeds 40 million
kids a year. So , now whether we made the good enough
progre ss in terms of the quality of food, we've made lots of
progress on the quantity of food. Our SNAP Program is the
most developed feeding program in the world. No country has
anything like what we have done. And in terms of school meals
and the elderly and t he WIC Program , America ha s really been
engaged in these efforts.

What's happened is, is that as Dariush said, the health issues

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and the cost of health care and people ’ s sicknesses have
caused us to evolve into wanting to know more about what's
in our food and more than just what' s on the plate and how
much can we eat. So , the quantity ha s turned into more of a
quality issue in recent years . This has not been the sexiest
issue in the world. W hen policymakers get together they'll talk
about housing, energy, but they rarely talk abou t food policy,
food security as a high level issue. That's because food is so
available in this country. The secret sauce is more and more
because of Dariush’s and others ef forts in food, food security,
and the relationship to heal th. And that can change o u r
national debate on the issue.

Margaret Flinter: Well, you know, the two of you are clearly the team to lead
this with such energy and optimism. And I guess I have to ask
you, Secretary Glickman, is it just possible that you have found
the one issue that might truly enjoy bipartisan support , or are
we still h eld back by beliefs about personal responsibility and
needing to carve your own way? What do you think about
that ? This sounds like real opportunity for bipartisanship.

Dan G lickman: I think it is a r eal opportunity. And there is more bipartisanship
in the food policy world than there is in most other worlds . But
it's still not perfect. I mean, it's like the divisions on even minor
issues today in politics kind of make me sic k to my stomach at
times. B ut , for the most part, there is a real opportunity here.

Mark Masselli: Well, that's great. We want to thank both of you. This has
been a great conversation. We'll be watching and learning
more a s the White House holds this import ant discussion. We
want to thank you and our audience for being here. You can
lear n more about Conversations on Health Care , and sign up
for our email updates at www.chcradio.com . Thank you both.

Dan G lickman: Thank you. Thank you very much.

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that without the Affor dable Care Act people with pre - existing
conditions “ cannot get insurance ”. W hile , it's true that the
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more or denying coverage to those with pre - existing
condition s , p lenty of Americans with pre - existing condition s
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existing c onditions , cannot get insurance.

And that's my fact check fo r this week. I'm Lori Robertson,
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Mark Masse lli: I'm Mark Masselli.
Margaret Flinter: And I'm Margaret Flinter.
Mark Masselli: Peace and H ealth .
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Marianne O’Hare: Conversations on Health Care is recorded in the Knowledge
and Technology Center Studios in Middletown, Connecticut,
and is brought to you by the Community Health Center , now
celebrating 50 years of providing quality care to the
underserved where health care is a right not a privilege .
www.chc1.com and www.chcra dio.com .
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